We now get a good look at the Savage Reservation, which is continually juxtaposed with the society of the Brave New World.
It is quite obvious how these two societies are different. A more interesting question would be about the SIMILARITIES Huxley is trying to show us between these two worlds, neither of which John is fully a member.
If you don't like that question, then work on this one. How is John different from the people in the Savage Reservation AND how is he going to be different from the people in the Brave New World when he goes there to visit?
One way that both worlds are the same are the Solidarity Services and the Native American's ritual offering dances. Lenina said that the pulsing of the beat of drums at the reservation reminded her of Solidarity Services or Ford's Day Celebrations. Another way is John is discriminated for having lighter colored skin (he couldn't be the sacrifice) just like in Brave New World Bernard is discriminated against because he isn't exactly like his kind.(shorter than a regular Alpha) The reservation also has mescal, which is like soma.
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John is different from the people in the reservation because he is from a different background. His mother is from the New World and "joined" the reservation. She still acts like the people in the New World, so she (and John) are not accepted. John is also a different skin color.
ReplyDeleteJohn is different from the people of the New World because he is from the reservation. He has lived there all of his life. He has a mother, and is not a test-tube baby. There are not 96 identical Johns. This makes him unique, unlike the people of the New World.
How much do the people on the Reservation know of the New World? Do they just know and not accept it or do they not know much about it? Do the people on the reservation (besides John and Linda) speak English?
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John is different from the "savages" because Linda has taught him how to read, and has also attempted to brainwash him by feeding him the hypnopedia she had heard. He also wasn't allowed to call Linda his mother. He will be different from the "New World" people because he was brought up around people who lived in filth and he will be going to a place that teaches "cleanliness is next to fordliness". He is also more tan than the English people in the "New World". He will also be an outsider bacause he has grown up thinking that being promiscuous is bad based on the kids who teased him when he was younger.
ReplyDeleteI also had a couple questions: Why does John hate Pope so much? Is it because he slept with Linda, or is it more than that? And also why did Pope laugh after John stabbed him? That was kind of weird.
For at least on thing that's similar, they're all human, and not one is better than the other. Also, each society has outcasts, such as John and Bernard, proving that no matter how you're born, whether being decanted or through live birth, nobody's going to be perfect when coming into this world.
ReplyDeleteI think that John will struggle in this "Brave New World;" for one thing, he was born rather than decanted. His skin is tanned, and he's not "Bonvinoskified." He doesn't necessarily fit in anywhere in either world; he's in a state of his own, really. He's not Native American, nor is he from the so-called "Brave New World." I have a feeling he's not going to like the Other Place, however...
John is different because of his skin color. And he wasnt born on the Reservation. And he wasn't bokanovskified. He's going to be different from the people of the Reservation because people because him and Linda were sent to the Reservation from the New World and also he is literate.
ReplyDeleteQUESTIONS: Lenina says that the mesa "looks like the Charing-T Tower." Do we know what the Charing-T Tower is? And I dont really understand what the young boy from the Reservation was sacrificed for? And was Linda ashamed of having John?
John is different from the people in the Reservation because he has light skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes and the people in the Reservation have brown skin, black hair, and brown eyes. He is also different because his mother has been conditioning him by saying the things she was taught while she still lived in the Brave New World.
ReplyDeleteJohn is going to be different than the people of the Brave New World because he actually knows his mother and has lived with her his whole life. He also has grown up worshipping Jesus and Pookong instead of Ford. He is also very dirty and has worn the same clothes for a long time and they have been mended before, unlike the people of the Brave New World who throw their clothes away once they have holes in them and get new ones and they are taught "Civilization is Sterilization". And also, in the Brave New World they are taught "everyone belongs to everyone" and in the Reservation they are taught to only be with one person and if you are with other girls husbands/boyfriends or other boys girlfriends/wives that is very shameful.
Why did Linda give John a book and teach him how to read? I thought they were taught as babies to not like books in the Brave New World.
John is different from the people in the reservation because 1)he has pale skin and blonde hair, unlike everyone else who are Indians, with dark skin and hair. 2) he was born in a different world in the fertilizing tube thing, and not from an actual mother. 3) his mother is teaching him different things than how everyone else learns it.
ReplyDeleteJohn is going to be very different when he visits the Brave New World. He has grown up in a completely different lifestyle. He has REAL feelings. He is taught to just have one wife. He is dirty and unclean and pratices a true religion with a true God. There are so many things that set him apart from the Brave New World.
Questions: Sorry this is a little confusing, but I don't understand the different worlds.. I thought this book was supposed to take place in a different time period, therefore making the whole world following this weird system like the Brave New World. But, now it's making it sounds like different parts of the world practice different lifestyles.. is this true? And why are the people in the Brave New World allowed to visit the Indian Reservation if it gives them all these ideas of what life should really be like with feelings and suffering? Wouldn't it make people want to rebel?
John is different for many reasons. He is not accepted in the "savage" world because of his skin tone but mostly because of his heritage. I think he is unaccepted mostly because both of his parents are from the unknown. Most of the people in this reservation have no clue about this outside world, so anything different from their age old customs is wrong. Also, the ethics from this outside world are very different from their own because in this new world, nothing is sacred; this especially includes their beliefs on relationships. The Indian customs are you belong to one person, and that is all. Linda does not respect this so John must carry the burden of her decision.
ReplyDeleteI think he will also have a hard time in the new world because he was born not in a beaker but viviparous. Because he was not born in a beaker he does not belong to a social class, and has no purpose in this society. He probably also doesn't look anything like the "average" person. These are possible problems facing him on his new adventure.
John is different from the people at the Savage Reservation because he is an outsider. He is not an Indian so he doesn't fit in with them. He has a different complexion and is not allowed in the celebrations and rituals that the Indians perform. John is torn between two worlds; the Indian life, and his mother's New World and all of its customs.
ReplyDeleteWhen John eventually reaches the New World, he will also be very different from them. He was not decanted, like every other citizen in that society. He hasn't been conditioned like everyone else and he also likes books. He is not clean and is almost the opposite of what that society is supposed to be. He is yet another character that Huxley shows could be a threat to the New World Society.
A similarity between the Savage Reservation and the Brave New World is that they both have things they take to get rid of stress and things they don't want to deal with. In the Savage Reservation they have mescal, while in the Brave New World they have soma. Also, both of these make the person feel really bad afterwards. Also, both societies have outcasts, John and Bernard, who are both outcasted by others because they're aren't like "normal" people in their societies, and they both have celebrations to give praise to the person they worship.
ReplyDeleteJohn is different from the people in the Savage Reservation because he has paler skin, and both of his parents are from the Brave New World. He is also going to have a hard time in the Brave New World because he isn't in a certain group, he is different from everyone there. Also, he doesn't worship Ford, he worships God, which will also set him apart from the people in the Brave New World.
John is different from the people in the Savage Reservation because both of his parents were raised in the "civilized" world, where everyone belongs to everyone else and "mother" is a bad word. His mother has to learn the rules of the Savage Reservation the hard way (everyone does not belong to everyone else, mending clothes), and John gets picked on because of it.
ReplyDeleteJohn will be different from the people in Brave New World because he is used to uncleanliness and wears ragged clothes. He doesn't belong to a certain caste and wasn't conditioned to fit in with their society. He is also only in love with Lenina, which not acceptable in Brave New World.
We would agree that Huxley is trying to present the Brave New World as a place that would not be pleasant to live. He calls his book an anti-utopian novel, meaning not the perfect world. So I would think that the Savage Reservation, the only thing in the book that isn't the Brave New World, would be the place he is trying to portray in a positive fashion.
ReplyDeleteSo... Question: Why does Huxley make the Savage Reservation look so bad? Ex. The universal symbol of snakes. All the garbage. Alcohol. Violent Customs. It certainly makes for a nice juxtaposition but what is his motive.
Or am I poisoned by Brave New World like thinking by society today and Huxley is suggesting that we need to change our world veiw extremely even to the point of acting more like savages.
You can be an outcast in both worlds as are John and Bernard. John and Bernard are alone seem to be the similar people, just in different worlds. Both worlds have strange ceremonies. I also think that the Brave New World will treat John like the Savage Reservation people do. It would seem that possibley John could stir up the Brave New World and make a change, or at least open some eyes.
ReplyDeleteA similarity between the two societies is that being different is bad. John and Bernard are both looked down on and treated with less respect because of their differences from everyone else. Some other similarities are that they have mescal like soma, spiritual gatherings, and people reproduce a lot.
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One of the similarites between the two worlds is when they were climbing to the top of the mesa in chapter 7, and they had finally gotten to the top, it was flat and stone and Lenina said "like the Charing-T Tower" as a resemblence.
ReplyDeleteJohn doesn't really belong to either group as in the Savage Reservation, no one really wants anything to do with him (besides Linda) because of the color of his skin. He wants to be there and prove he is a man though. He doesn't really belong in the Brave New World either, because he hasn't been conditioned properly to know that sexual play is normal and what "social group" he is in. He wouldn't like it there as it is so clean and he was raised to be with dirty things.
Also: Is Johns father the Director? Because Huxley made it seem like he is.
ANSWER to Serena: 1. John did despise Pope for the reason you mentioned, but also because he was the provider of mescal. Mescal was similiar to Soma for Linda, and Pope would use this to his advantage. John watched the effect of mescal on his mother, and how she was deteriorating, and blames these happenings on Pope. 2. When John tryed to kill Pope with a knife, Pope caught his wrist and laughed. I think this is due to the difference of strenght between the two people. Pope thought it was funny that a person like John would try to pull a stunt like he did.
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ANSWER to Annie: Yes, John is the son of the Director and Linda. Bernard knows/strongly assumes this relationship which is why he invites them to come back to London with him. He has some vengeful plan in mind...
ReplyDeleteJohn is an outcast because he has pale skin and blonde hair, all the other Indians have dark skin and dark hair. He is also different because his mother has been conditioning him by saying the things she was taught while she still lived in the Brave New World.
ReplyDeleteBoth of the societies takes substances to feel good about themselves such as soma and mescal.
Physically, John is lighter than the rest of the Indians- in skin color and in hair. His mother came from the New World, and still holds fast to their "customs" and therefore is shunned from the Indian society, along with John.
ReplyDeleteI do not think that John will like the New World. For one thing, there is only one of hi instead of 96. He did not undergo hypnopaedia so therefore has unbiased opinions. He also has an aversion to his mothers many "suitors" (i.e. he trys to kill them) and at the end of chaoter 9 whn he considers "having" Lanvina, he becomes disgusted with himself. He has also been taught to enjoy nature and books. And not just any book but the complete works of William Shakespeare! Wasn't on the Mustafa's list of extinct books or something?
~ Is Bernard going to try and get revenge on the Director?
~ Could someone explain exactly why Bernard is being sent to Iceland? ( I know it was in the last set of chapters...)
~ Did anyone else get the feeling that when John was lamenting about how much of an outcast he was that Bernard jumped in with his own pity party waayy to eagerly?
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ReplyDeleteMy question is why did they sacrifice the boy at the beginning of the reading, and why did John want to be in his place?
ReplyDeleteJohn is different from both societies because of the color of his skin. each society each has a strict belief system, and he has a mix of each, making it impossible for his to fit into either society.
John is different from the people in the new world because his mother had him in the reservation. and so he isn't a test-tube baby. He is different from the savages because he wasn't born there, and is a lighter skin tone than everyone there.
ReplyDeleteJohn is different from the savages because if they way that Linda raised him in the reservation. He lived all his life in the reservation unlike most people. He skin is different for both the savages and the New World. John probably wouldn't fit in in the new world. He has been raised in a dirty environment, where as in New World everything is very clean. John doesn't really fit in either places considered to be a home.
ReplyDeleteJacob- Huxley makes the Savage reservation look so bad because he wants to make it harder for Bernard to see that the world he lives in is so bad, if the reservation was like life when Huxley was around everyone who visited would stay. also i think that part of Lienna and Bernard's unfavorable portrayal of the reservation is part of their conditioning, they were trained to see the natural world through a lens of disgust. for example Huxley tells us that everyone was conditioned to be squeamish. In response to your second question; no.
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