These chapters show us that in this society human beings are degraded and reduced to an animal-like state. Individuality is not considered important or even allowed to flourish, and humans have lost all dignity and respect.
Please list at least 2 examples from these chapters that support these ideas.
Secondly, would you please ask at least one question you have as you read these chapters. (Even more would be appreciated if you have more!)
Finally, would you attempt to answer at least one of your classmates' questions, and answer even more if you are able to do so.
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ReplyDeleteare we supposed to make our own blog?? i am slightly confused.......
Thank you:)
Mollie Lawler
I don't really understand what the different metres represent?
ReplyDelete-Maranda Metz
@Molly- I've done this blog project thing before; there's no need for you to create your own blog; just post on this one.
ReplyDeleteTwo examples from the book I would include is that a boy got in trouble for NOT using erotic behaviour to a girl, and that it's supposedly okay to be going out with multiple people.
Hmmm... I was a little confused at the end of the chapter with all of the difference voices. A little clarfication on who's talking to who would be great.
~Sydney Schulte
One example from the book is that the babies were electrocuted when they crawled towards the flowers and books so they learn to hate books and flowers. Another example is during Elementary Class Consciousness certain suggestions are drilled in the children's heads.
ReplyDeleteHow long do the kids stay in the Centre? Or do they live here all their lives because there were no adults mentioned besides the workers..?
Sydney- At the end the voices are those of Fanny and Lenina talking, the Elementary Class Consciousness voice through the speakers, Bernard Marx and Henry Ford and the Assistant Predestinator in the bathroom talking about Lenina, and Mustapha Mond telling the tour group of the past. The voices are switching back and forth.
-Ariana
An example from the book is that they say often, "Every one belongs to every on else." Another example is that at the Centre, they pick what caste you are in society and depending on what you will be, they effect your embryo to work well for that certain job.
ReplyDeleteMy question is how do they pick which embryos go to which caste?
One example from the book that shows that humans are being degraded is that they are trying to speed up sexual maturity and full growth to the age of 6 or younger. Another example that shows that individuality is not important is that they teach the childer to hate certain things without a choice of what they really dislike (flowers, books, other groups of children).
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think the D.H.C. discourages long relationships between two people? For example, Fanny told Lenina that if the D.H.C. found out that she had been only with Henry Foster for four months he would be furious.
Ariana- I'm not really sure the answer to your question but I think once their minds have been fully trained according to what the scientists want they are 'released' into the world.
---Cassie Shedenhelm
I am kind of confused on the whole "Ford" thing. Is "his Fordship" the controller? I get the feeling that he is like a living god to these people. This is based on Henry Ford and his great invention of the assembly line right?
ReplyDeleteOne example is the children are running around at recess with no clothes on and being erotic, if they do not act erotic, they get in trouble. Another example is when they have the 8 month old babies they show them these pretty, happy things and after they start playing with them they shock them and hurt them to make them believe from a young age that these things are bad and are brainwashing these innocent babies.
I forgot to answer the question in my first blog so here are my answers. My examples that I found from the book was that it was somehow wrong to date only one person at a time for a long period of time. It was more logical to date many people at once. And also they are teaching the kids to act erotic because if they don't then they get in trouble.
ReplyDelete-Maranda Metz
To Sidney: The author is trying to cover a lot of the culture at once, and it doesn't really matter whose talking. The sensible one is Bernard Marx. He is trying to show how evil the world's culture is.
ReplyDelete2 examples: creating 96 identical twins and expecting them to act the same and work machines for the purpose of world domination; also, not allowing families, and children never know the love of a mother or father.
Wouldn't having more people cause hunger problems? How can they afford to feed all those "children"?
Nicholas Seymour
One example is that they classify the embryos into different groups and they must have that specific group's environment as well as that group's heredity, so they will act the same. Another example is that they condition all of the people to hate the country but to love the country sports.
ReplyDeleteWhy wouldn't the D.H.C. and the Director want the groups of children to get along and like each other? Wouldn't that just cause problems and disagreements?
Two examples: -Long relationships are discouraged. it said, "Every person belongs to everyone else." This shows that individuality does not matter if you are not even able to pick someone to be with for a long time. -You also see this idea in the "Elementary Class Consciousness." All the children are being programmed to have the same thoughts. Everyone thinks the same, and there is no diversity.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: I'm confused on what they mean when they say "bokanovskify." what does that mean? And also, sometime they'll just randomly name a bunch of numbers, and I don't understand what they're talking about.
Cassie- I'm not sure exactly but I think he discourages long relationships because he doesn't want people having their own feelings. He doesn't want to promote individualism. They want the world to be kind of like a utopian society, and long relationships would let people express their feelings.
~Vanessa Miller
A good example of the destruction of individuality is the hypnopaedic proverb, "everyone belongs to everyone else." The people of A Brave New World act like animals in the changing rooms when the talk about various pneumatic girls.
ReplyDeleteAriana: Obviously the kids leave the centre. The book talks about many different jobs including mining and rocket repairing. Those jobs are carried out outside of the Centre. They leave when they are prepared for their life career.
My Question is why in the heck did the Controller say "suffer little children" when the D.H.C. told them to go on and play? (At the end of Chap. 3)
Vanessa~ To Bokanovskify is the unnatualr budding of human eggs. Whereas you normally get one human from one egg( or 2-3 sometimes for twins/triplets) in the book the could get up to 96 identical humans/egg.
ReplyDeleteExamples~ 1.) The little spiel with electrocuting babies that taught them to repel books and flowers. 2.) The whole idea of family is lost. You get the feeling that it is an emberressing topic. Nobody really knows what a mother or father is, except it is similar to a bad word...
Questions~ I am slightly confused with all of the different groups mentioned( Delta's, Gamma's, Epsilon's etc etc) Is it to early to tell what each group is for and how they came about?
Two examples- Having the children play erotic games and how "everyone belongs to everyone else."
ReplyDeleteQuestion- Why did Huxley keep switching between conversations at the end of chapter 3?
One example of how humans are degraded is the fact that the Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon groups undergo the Bokanovsky process in which the scientists form identical humans. These humans are created so that they can work. Another example is how the babies are electrically shocked when they reach for books and flowers.
ReplyDeleteMollie- The Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon groups are groups of people in the New World, kind of like the Indian caste system. The Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon groups go throught the Bokanovsky process, while the Alpha and Beta never undergo it.
Question- Why did the DHC allow the Bokanovsky process to happen?
Two Examples- When the babies would be altered to enjoy hot temperature and hate the cold just so they could be miners and steel workers. They took away their individuality by not allowing them to choose what jobs they would want. Another example is when they discourage long term relationships. They took away their individuality to choose who they want to spend the rest of their with.
ReplyDeleteMy question was why did they have to use alarms and shocks to teach the babies? Wouldn't you think sounding the alarms would be good enough?
-Ben Severino
Ben- It is kinda like teaching a child not to touch a hot stove.... it's more sadistic and messed up, though. You tell a kid not to touch the stove beacause it is hot but lo and behold they still touch it and get burned.Because of the pain they especially know to NOT touch the stove. It is the same thing in the book except in place of the stove it is books and flowers.
ReplyDeleteExamples: They show them the books and floweres so that they will not like them when the get older. Also they effect the embryo on what job you will have.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Why do they make the kids afraid of books and the flowers? What is so bad about it?
-Katie Renteria
Katie- they make the kids afraid of flowers because when the people liked flowers they spent all of their time in the countryside and didn't get anything done. they make them afraid of books because knowledge is power. if the people had knowledge then there would be a variety of opinions, making it harder for the government to exercise absolute control. they keep them ignorant so they don't know that the way that the government is doing things is really messed up.
ReplyDeleteGrant, I think they allowed the Bokanovsky process to create more workers and produce more babies.
ReplyDeleteTwo examples are:
ReplyDelete-When they controlled the children by giving them electric shocks for liking the roses.
-Also the groups of people had the same name and apparel.
I confused on the characters?? Like who has the highest rank and how there are students that felt emotion???
-Mollie
The groups are in a sense a way to categorize them for example ranking, attire, or jobs. The certain group was raised the same way and can't be changed.
-Kathleen Meek
Some of the examples are like when the people were being told about how there were once parents they all seemed so shocked as if family was a bad thing. Plus they basically choose everything a person does from before birth and then train them like dogs. There's no value to the individual person in this book. Every one works for and is part of the State.
ReplyDeleteTwo examples of disrespect for human life are:
ReplyDelete1) having the children play together erotically.
2) using hypnopaedia to teach the kids to know their place in the world.
What is the Podsnap technique? That whole part confused me greatly. I was also confused about Henry and Bernards problem in chapter three?
Kate- I don't understand the second part of your second question but the rank goes Alpha then Beta then Gammas, Deltas, and Epsilons.
-Annie Schulte
ANSWER to Katie R: I think they deliberately do this to the babies for a negative instinctive reaction to the books/flowers. A hatred for books could be important so that the babies don't read stuff that could "decondition" them. Books provide knowledge, and the less knowledge they have the easier it is to condition them. I am not so sure about the flowers, but the Director said that the Gammas, Deltas, and Epsilons had been conditioned to like nature. But a condition of disliking nature(flowers) can lead to a love of country sports. Also, nature is free, and that isn't good for the economy. I think it was bad just due to the method of teaching them, as the director later says Hypnopaedia is a much better way of teaching.
ReplyDeleteAnnie- I am confuzzled too. I think it is a process that speeds up the development of eggs at once so that thousands of siblings can be made within a 2-year timeframe.
QUESTION(S): 1. Why are intricate games made? And why must they be so simple?(ch. 3) 2. Why does Huxley relate to Henery Ford so much in this book? For example, when Huxley portrays fetuses in bottles passing down a conveyor belt, he is comparing Ford's assembly-line methods...and when the tops of crosses were chopped off to look like T's--could this be a hint of irony??
EXAMPLES: How short-term relationships with many people are considered the normality and teaching kids to be erotic.
~Ashley Phillips
Examples: They make everyone twins instead of having individual people. They also perform expiriments when you're a baby to determine parts of your personality.
ReplyDeleteWhy do they have to have ranking systems for the kids? I also didn't quite understand the whole obsession with Ford??
is the controller and mustapha mond the same person?
ReplyDeleteis the "ford" God?